Added: Monday, 06 October 2008, 07:36 AM Mecca time, 04:36 AM GMT
I think that Muslims in general have gotten used to being violated by Christians and Jews in our homelands, from slavery of Muslims in Africa to the Crusades in 1095c.e to the Inquisition in Spain then to the fall of the Ottoman Empire in WWI and the wars following in the 20th century. When the incursion becomes more localized then it most certainly is going to agitate the local population. The problem with Muslims is that Muslims are largely silent especially from the government level when it comes to these Western invasions, and Muslims historically have a habit of ignoring the suffering of our Muslim brethren. When the last Muslim stronghold in Spain fell in 1492 the Turks were nowhere to be found, and when the Ottoman Empire fell the Arabs were on the side of the Brittish. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said that the nations of the world would feast on this nation as if it were a banquet, despite the large numbers of Muslims, and Muslims would be weak like bubbles on water.
tALLAHhassee Florida, Detroit, United States
Added: Monday, 06 October 2008, 07:15 AM Mecca time, 04:15 AM GMT
minsa "The Jews have been waging their unjust war on the Muslims for over 60 years and America is very much pert of that war. It only attacks Muslims, never Jews." OK, sounds like a convincing argument: 'Jews and Muslims have been fighting for 60 years, America only attacked Muslims, therefore America is siding with Jews in the war on Islam' but let's consider some statistics before we draw any conclusions. There is 1 country where Jews are the majority, there are 50 countries where Muslims are the majority. If America attacked countries at random, it should attack one Jewish country for every 50 Muslim countries... by this logic they shouldn't attack Israel before the rest of the Middle East is levelled. That's if the situation were random. Considering the antipathy the Muslim world shows America, the odds are shifted more towards the US attacking a Muslim country. Logically America has a less than 2% chance of attacking Israel rather than a Muslim country. Seems about right to me.
J., LA, United States
Added: Sunday, 05 October 2008, 09:52 PM Mecca time, 06:52 PM GMT
minsa and Gim: I understand your feelings about Iraq, as the war seems not to have been about terrorism at all. Other reasons, such as oil, getting Iraq to trade oil for dollars and not euros, Bush's personal animosity towards Saddam, are all more plausible than going to war to prevent terrorism. But this does not mean this is a war on Islam. And it does not mean the actual war on terror targets Muslims because they are Muslim. They are targeted because they are terrorists. Gim, I believe minsa is closer to solving it only because minsa acknowledges than Muslims are responsible for the terrorist attacks I mentioned. You deny that Muslims have been responsible for anything.
Robwash, Los Angeles, United States
Added: Sunday, 05 October 2008, 08:24 PM Mecca time, 05:24 PM GMT
Dune Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg06ZBdHb5M. Who says that art does not imitate life?
Leonard, Raymond, New Hampshire, United States
Added: Sunday, 05 October 2008, 08:14 PM Mecca time, 05:14 PM GMT
I still think the movie 'Dune' captures the idea of an imperial power after a precious substance, and the killing of the little people who are just in the way of agenda tells the whole story nicely ...
Leonard, Raymond, New Hampshire, United States
Added: Sunday, 05 October 2008, 07:08 PM Mecca time, 04:08 PM GMT
Robwash: I certainly agree Muslims are waging a war on Jews and have for a very long time. But the concern of the U.S. isn't Muslims or Jews. It's terrorists flying planes into buildings in our cities. ... You Zionists are behind all the terror from bombing Qana, Tripoli, Ramallah, Beiruit, Baghdad, Basra, Mogadishu, Gaza, Sudan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. If the concern of the US is not Muslims or Jews why do you give the Israelis the weapons which they use to kill Arabs? The Jews have been waging their unjust war on the Muslims for over 60 years and America is very much pert of that war. It only attacks Muslims, never Jews. You have chosen to side with the Zionists in the war. You have been responsible for slaughtering thousands of Muslim civilians who were every bit as innocent as the victims of 911. You should not be allowed to conduct your murderous war on Islam with impunity.
minsa, hemel hempstead, Great Britain (UK)
Added: Sunday, 05 October 2008, 05:51 PM Mecca time, 02:51 PM GMT
‘So the attack on Iraq was not part of a war on terror’ – minsa: In his book, Clash of Civilizations, Huntington from Harvard who advised the Pentagon and advised the state department pointed out that the only Arab state with the capability to lead the Arab world and challenge the United States and Israel was Iraq. And so Iraq had to be destroyed, to maintain the domination of the United States and its proxy, Israel. And remember after nineteen seventy-three, whatever it was before then, Israel is nothing more than a catspaw of the United States. They do what America tells them to do. Otherwise Israel is nothing more than a failed state.
Gim, Aden, Yemen
Added: Sunday, 05 October 2008, 12:23 PM Mecca time, 09:23 AM GMT
Robwash: And the people involved in the Madrid bombing were Muslim too. And the London subway bombing. And remember those nutty doctors who tried to blow up the nightclub in London and then the airport (by lighting himself on fire?!)...they were Muslim too. And the Bali blast. That was a bad one. Yep, they were all Muslim. ... Madrid - retaliation for Spain killing Muslims in Iraq. London ditto for Brits. Bali ditto for Aussies. There were no terrorist links with the Iraqi regime. So the attack on Iraq was not part of a war on terror. However, Iraq was a Muslim country with a strongly anti-Zionist political leadership. What fits with regard to the attack on Iraq is the concept of war on Islam. When Muslims are attacked in the course of this war against them and their civilians are slaughtered they have a right, even duty, to respond effectively to achieve security for their people.
minsa, hemel hempstead, Great Britain (UK)
Added: Sunday, 05 October 2008, 07:04 AM Mecca time, 04:04 AM GMT
Angela, Mexico: Eh, amigo! What do you hope to accomplish by spreading such vicious and hateful lies and exaggerations of the US and her people. Lazarus 1956, Des Moines, United States . Lazarus 1956,United States You are 100% WRONG! To begin with there are millions of Americans in your country that feel the same as I do,however,the Zionist Jewish control of the media censor the truth. AntiZionists in this forum are not against the American people we are against the American ZIONIST GOV'T!!l Lazarus,you cannot block the sun with a finger.Would you prefer for me, a devout Catholic to LIE to the world about the obvious, that Bush's war is a war against Islam and Muslims. Think before you say or write something.Everything the U.S. did in Iraq was against their faith and culture.To you, what your fellow Americans did in the Jails like Abughraib was a sign of love toward Muslims and Islam?What are 100's of Masad agents doing in Iraq spreading Love?
