Added: Wednesday, 08 April 2009, 01:45 PM Mecca time, 10:45 AM GMT
As pointed out by Aladdin the Arab League has its own means for correctional acts against president al-Bashir and consequently they don't want the ICC to continue with the case. However, the hundred pages document that the ICC has produced with reasonable evidence against al-Bashir must have been useful for the Arab League to put pressure on him. Furthermore, I also assume that the Arab League has no reason not to support the indictments by the ICC against Joseph Kony, Alleged Commander-in-Chief of the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) in Uganda, and other leaders of the LRA. Is there anyone here who is against the ICC's indictment of Joseph Kony? The ICC makes a difference!
Pelle, Stockholm, Sweden
Added: Wednesday, 08 April 2009, 01:17 PM Mecca time, 10:17 AM GMT
J, Laker: Big difference between what is happening Darfur & Gaza. Gaza reflects the political blunder & use of Stupid Force while Darfur shows the ugly face of prejudice represented by Bashir. I hope both will have they day in court. LOL.
Aladdin, United States
Added: Wednesday, 08 April 2009, 12:38 PM Mecca time, 09:38 AM GMT
Daniel, North carolina, USA, Winston Salem, United States "but we cannot blame this whole mess on what the British did in 1948. Please keep in mind that many countries were formed at that time. Kuwait would be one, should we just give it back to Iraq, as sadaam hussain tried to do?" The same point in all cases. Who gave the Brits the right to set the boundaries of these countires. Do they own them? No. Do they know anything about these countries history, culture & people? Propably not. The Iraq & Kuwait is a perfect example. Why did they divide the land as such. Were the Kuwaiti suffering from persecution? NO. So why divide the land? (I m not with what Saddam done, just asking myself questions) Iraq was dissatisifed from the begining. Problems aroused with Kuwait in the 60s. They took their issues to the Arab League. Egypt sent troops to Kuwait but has to withsraw it when it was involved with heavy wars with Israel. See, the Brits division was nothing but a disaster
SM, Cairo, Egypt
Added: Wednesday, 08 April 2009, 12:25 PM Mecca time, 09:25 AM GMT
so Dutch and SM, I agree that a palestinian state must be created, but we cannot blame this whole mess on what the British did in 1948. Please keep in mind that many countries were formed at that time. Kuwait would be one, should we just give it back to Iraq, as sadaam hussain tried to do? That was met with outcry even from Muslim countries such as saudi arabia. Daniel, North carolina, USA, Winston Salem, United States
2 Reasons: OIL and POWER. Imagine Kuwait and Iraq joined. That would have given Saddam power of the 2nd largest oil reserve in the world. Kuwait is easy to control cos its's very small but with Iraq that wouldn't be the case. That would also be 1 US base less, so less protection. I'm not suprised KSA aobjected that idea. It's quite logical, and has nothing to do with them being Muslim countires.
Dutch_in_the Desert, Manama, Bahrain
Added: Wednesday, 08 April 2009, 12:07 PM Mecca time, 09:07 AM GMT
Dutch-in-the-dessert: It's kind of hard NOT to discuss Israel on these boards, regardless of the topic. But again, what is your opinion on the Arab League and Bashir? Robwash, Los Angeles, United States
I have given my opinion a long time ago, but I can repeat it for you: As he is part of the Arab league, and as Qatar has not signed with the ICC, they don't have to hand him over. Qatar is already in talks with the Government and rebels. I don't see why Qatar can't find a solution to have Bashir tried, and as I said before the ICC is quite selective, so why not let the Arabs sort it out. I don't think they endorse his crimes, however I think it's their responsibility to have him held accountable.
Dutch_in_the Desert, Manama, Bahrain
Added: Wednesday, 08 April 2009, 12:02 PM Mecca time, 09:02 AM GMT
Dutch in the Dessert "The point is, that ICC is being very selective with their arrest warrants and investigations." By which metric is the Gaza conflict more deserving of ICC attention than the conflict in Darfur? Bashir has killed much more people than Israel has. Bashir has shown far more intent to harm civilians than Israel has (Bashir allegedly ordered some of his troops to rape women and children. If the troops refused, they were shot). How can you possibly think that Gaza should be a higher priority than Darfur? J., LA, United States
J, if you read my post you can see I didn't mention anything on priority. Why condemn the Arab league for hosting Al Bashir, when the rest of the world shakes hands and pledges support for a country that has been occupying and killing for 60 years now? Bashir should be held accountable, but does it need to be ICC?
Dutch_in_the Desert, Manama, Bahrain
Added: Wednesday, 08 April 2009, 04:44 AM Mecca time, 01:44 AM GMT
ofcourse what always works is facilitating exchange of goods and knowledge between 'arab' nations. Otoh not only the arab league but the islamic world as a whole should come up with an alternative for the attitude that allows them to applaud to be allowed into a construction overturning it's veto.(altho i disagree that veto). Not so much because it is insincere, but because that attitude comes in the way of connecting with your population in a way that allows the idea of arab spiritual unity to become one of socio-economical unity. (for wich the exchange of goods and knowledge goes a long way). It will not show the ability to either consequential or effective governance, the alternative is to formulate other targets. Smart would be to have them as moderate as the politicians in fact (either mostly or often) lean, the turkish model for example appear to still have limitations. Politicians etc. should realise that in this context they are not there for theirselves and their positions .
Onix, zutphen, Netherlands Antilles
Added: Wednesday, 08 April 2009, 02:39 AM Mecca time, 11:39 PM GMT
The British said the Ottoman empire was to be exclusive to Trans Jordan?
Hmmm. I remember they mandated some land to the Jews for a Jewish State. And, I also remember that Jews fought side by side to defeat the Ottoman Empire.
rezasantorini, Chicago, United States
Added: Wednesday, 08 April 2009, 01:11 AM Mecca time, 10:11 PM GMT
lazaz, los angeles, United States : "Shame on all those who defend bashir. You will be judged by your own children for defending a murderer. History will judge you". Why you only picked on Bashir. The rest of them are exactly or worse than him. They either came to power by military coup or inheritance, and their police stations almost as good as Guantanamo.
Tutu, London, Great Britain (UK)
Added: Tuesday, 07 April 2009, 01:06 PM Mecca time, 10:06 AM GMT
Great for the Arab League. Justice has nothing WHATSOEVER to do with this bogus kangaroo court (the ICC).
