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How can you fight Evil by Evil??!!
How could you face injustice by killing and destroying and creating more injustice than the one you've received before?!!
It is better for every leader in the world to start fighting Evil in himself and his admistration, and in his people and country before to search Evil in the other!
Ther are no perfect beings and others imperfect,
nor Human Angels and Human Devils...
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Jeremy Horne, Ph.D.
United States |
18/08/2008 |
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I was wondering who wrote this article, Marwan Bishara or I. I could not have expressed this problem better. Two central problems in the US are a lack of a real crosscurrent of ideas (e.g., when was the last time a REAL debate about alternative economic system occurred?) Second, the school system is in utter disarray, with philosophy, scientific thinking, and critical analysis hardly ever being taught in a serious and systematic way. I agree, "alas". I really don't see any hope. |
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Gill Redpath
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18/08/2008 |
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Well done Marwan Bishara |
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I too cringed at the ridiculous questions and replies regarding evil.
These candidates must believe that the overwhelming number of fundamental Christian voters in the USA need to hear this kind of talk to be assured of getting their support (Bush certainly did) - I hoped Obama would know better, but alas, politicians have to play the game.
Thank you for an excellent article.
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Carolyn
United States |
18/08/2008 |
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"evil" is in the eye of the beholder....and in his motives. Old saying-"you can't regulate morality"...but this country won't even try. It is rampant with sexual child abuse, teacher child abuse, white slavery- things I never dreamed would exist in my lifetime. Another old saying, "Society sets the stage. The criminal commits the act." Our criminals are the very ones this government refuses to TRY to regulate, and they stand protected by various laws, I.E. the first amendment....or behind " |
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Dan
United States |
19/08/2008 |
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If you can't distiguish good from evil, how can you ever hope to protect your children from it? It comes as no surprise that in this day of moral realitivism that the Bishara is unable to see the evil that festers around her. To see it, would mean to acknowlege the role that Bishara community plays in it. Evil cannot be defeated by wishing it away, it has to be confronted AND defeated, McCain and Obama were BOTH right. |
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Emily Patch
United States |
19/08/2008 |
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Obama McCain & Rick Warren |
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Thank you! I was truly disgusted that our presidential candidates were interviewed by Rick Warren, the rich preacher man of California.
Politics in the USA should be secular.
I hate to see politicians pandering to the religious right. Perhaps that is EVIL.
They were trying to "Out Jesus each other''.
I personally prefer Ralph Nadar. He would not do this.
Obama is a pol of course, but superior to McBush.
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Doug, social science student
United States |
19/08/2008 |
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Excellent Analysis |
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It's good to know someone else besides myself is disgusted by American politics. "How are you going to respond to evil, Mr. President?" What kind of question is that?? The bellicosity of some Americans and their political representatives is astounding. Even Richard and Saladin were more civil than this. Yes, we need to strike out against demons and evil-doers. For God and country! If this keeps up, all the gods and all the countries will be either hardened veterans, or they will be dead. |
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David
United States |
19/08/2008 |
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Superstition and make-believe |
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Is there nobody else who is hust plain embarrassed by all of this make believe and superstition? "Evil"? The perhaps we should be "Steadfast" on Halloween and send the troops out after the ghosts and goblins.
I cringe too - at the grown men talking about superstition in order to get elected. |
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Tom Spender
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19/08/2008 |
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Marwan is so right - this article reads just like many written by Western journos about similarly bizarre discussions that take place in the Muslim world - about what is haram and halal, for example. Except it's the other way around. I love it. Good and evil are words for fiction. The problem is that people like films and novels so the same concepts are also effective in politics and journalism... |
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LeBas
United States |
19/08/2008 |
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Intolerant and obsessed with Evil. |
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America was never more tolerant: absurd idyll like it was once more democratic or humane. Not long ago lynching was legal in many states, where catholics or chinamen weren't allowed in town limits. DeTocqueville observed an artifical new nation's obsession with asserting (and demanding) a homogenous identity. Our society of the spectacle only fits differently.
Americans' obsession with Evil is a more obvious expression of the dialectic of capitalism's malevolence. We know we're evil. |
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Global Citizen
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20/08/2008 |
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Dan of the USA, I think you're missing the point here. How does a nation define evil? Is it the definition adopted by Bush and his alies (Islam is evil) or the use of billions of dollars to kill and maim other peoples who do not agree with us? Bishata is not denying the existence of evil but for a nation to adopt a moral high ground based on the believes of a religion is certainly cause for alarm. |
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MikeT
United States |
21/08/2008 |
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What can a sophisticated urbane politician like Obama do when he needs the votes of ignorant simpletons who see the world in such crass terms as good & evil and is asked a question like this ? If he has to play along with the stupid game of those who use a religious perspective as a form of blackmail (which politician will say they don't believe in evil in front of a religious audience ?) in order to get elected then so be it. Maybe that's the only way to get America out of the dark ages. |
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Michael
United States |
21/08/2008 |
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I saw the full interview live on cable television. I was impressed by Senator Obama's response that we must be careful not to perpetuate evil as we attempt to exterminate evil. That was a very wise, informed response. But of course, the audience didn't buy it. American voters have been spoon-fed for six years that the only evil left is manifested in the form of radical Islam. They don't want any prevarication when it comes to the question of evil. Obama should have lied, if only for the votes. |
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Pete
United Kingdom |
21/08/2008 |
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''Most Americans believe that angels and demons are active in the world, and one in five Christians speaks or prays in tongues - ecstatic worship or prayer using unintelligible speech.'' -
Finally an explanation for the inintelligibility of Bush's speeches. |
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Rod B. PhD
Ethiopia |
21/08/2008 |
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Excellent Appraisal |
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As an exPat living overseas for the last 27 years I must agree with the analysis given. The US is far to isolated from the rest of the world, the average US citizen has little understanding of how the rest of the world views their government and therefore their understanding.
In a secular society where there is a constitutional divison between church and state how can the two 'presidential candidates' agree to such a Q and A session? |
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Pino
Italy |
22/08/2008 |
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Evil |
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Those who believe in evil are often the very ones refusing to recognise it in themselves.
The more we seek to defeat evil, the more we are creating it.
What is evil? Evil is the absence of balance. |
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abduljohn palaque
Australia |
22/08/2008 |
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LEADERS WITH EVIL FEELINGS ARE DENGEROUS |
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Leaders who took their country into a war with another sovereign country with lies & deception could be regarded as leaders who had been influenced by evil feelings. In the eyes of people in the world, these leaders can be considered as 'dangerous'. The soldiers who were killed in war had sacrifices their lives & families being a victim of these unscrupulous leaders whose actions are mooted by evils. US leaders are influenced by people who have self interest with evil feelings to destroy others |
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Skip
United States |
22/08/2008 |
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When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. (Sinclair Lewis) |
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Curtis
United States |
22/08/2008 |
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Dan
United States 19/08/2008
If you can't distiguish good from evil, how can you ever hope to protect your children from it? It comes as no surprise that in this day of moral realitivism that the Bishara is unable to see the evil that festers around her. To see it, would mean to acknowlege the role that Bishara community plays in it. Evil cannot be defeated by wishing it away, it has to be confronted AND defeated, McCain and Obama were BOTH right.
I agree with Dan. |
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Thomas
United States |
22/08/2008 |
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This religious sherade was a joke. Religion has no place in politics. It should be kept private. This type of spectacle just creates more bigotry and intolerance, and teaches ignorances disguised as fact. Religion is fiction, and that can never change. Face it, there has never been a God and never will be a God! |
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Sam Thornton
United States |
22/08/2008 |
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Evil in the US elections - By Marwan Bishara |
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Really an excellent commentary on the Shootout at Saddleback, which is how such odd confrontations are seen here.
As many note, US culture seems peculiarly obsessed with simplistic, extremist versions of Christianity. There is a common-sense explanation, one the ancient Romans discovered 2,000 years ago when they co-opted Christianity. The underclasses can be more easily manipulated and controlled with religious edicts than with the threat of force. And more cheaply, too. |
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Doug Humes
United States |
22/08/2008 |
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Stalin sent millions of people to their death in the 1930's.
Hitler sent millions of people to their death in the 1940's.
Pol Pot sent millions of people to their death in the 1970's.
Ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, in Africa, has sent how many thousands to their death?
Evil exists. Try to confront it with a warm smile, a hug and a kind word, and you'll end up on the pile of bodies burning in the chamber, buried in lye. I will take my chances with those with a moral compass. |
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Trey
United States |
22/08/2008 |
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CNN is nothing more than a psychological operation used to manipulate the minds of Americans. Both of the canidates are truly evil and most likely worship lucifer through there secret societies. If you dont believe me take a sight seeing tour in DC. The National Cathedral in DC is loaded with statues of evil and even have a bust of Darth Vader. NO Kidding! |
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Wendi
Canada |
22/08/2008 |
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As a Canadian naturalized citizen born in the US,I was shocked that Obama willingly submitted to such fatuous nonsense a staggering reality check for those who worship him uncritically. He may think he needs the votes of right wing ideologues, but I think he lost many votes by his actions. Secular, left leaning Democrats ( and Hillary supporters) are going to look at this as the tip of the iceberg for what is in store for America if he (Obama) is elected, and it's not a pretty picture. |
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MJ
United States |
23/08/2008 |
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Odd Analysis of Presidental Purpose |
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Marwan makes a huge disconnected leap in implying a US President is just Commander in Chief, and that the US in general thinks evil is just a foreign rather than domestic issue.
A US President can play exactly the role Marwan admits is needed - to elevate and address the "urgent need for education, justice, fairness and the rule of law as well as a moral compass." The article takes way too much liberty in tying discussions about evil with "some religious crusade." |
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Allan
United States |
23/08/2008 |
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Evil |
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Let me define EVIL for you.
It is EVIL to slice an innocent man's head off on TV.
It is EVIL to take 3000 lives on 911.
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Dr.F.A.
Italy |
18/08/2008 |
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How can you fight Evil by Evil |
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How could you face injustice by killing and destroying and creating more injustice than the one you've received before?!!
It is better for every leader in the world to start fighting Evil in himself and his admistration, and in his people and country before to search Evil in the other!
There are no perfect beings and others imperfect,
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Bob Verdi
United States |
18/08/2008 |
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Well written, Marwan Bishara. I did not listen to the candidates' interviews since there were only two candidates speaking (where was the Green Party candidate for example?), and we were being fed a party line (Republican/Democrat) definition of "evil". That means: crime but never poverty abortion but never capital punishment. foreign terrorism but never US aggression, Invasion of Georgia but never Invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan. I hope American people soon demand more of their politicians. |
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Timothy Somers
United States |
18/08/2008 |
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Does McCain really understand Christianity? |
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The very fact that you can defeat evil is a contradiction to the Christian message. I really do not understand how American Christians see McCain as a believing Christian. Obama's confrontation of evil embodies what Christianity is all about. No one can defeat evil except Jesus Christ. We as Christians can only try to confront it.
It is clear from McCain's answers that he really doesn't understand Christ. |
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Leonard Melton
United States |
18/08/2008 |
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Thank you for a thought provoking article. The term is vague at best. I think the danger here is the potential of the label here and something good today is evil tomorrow, and vice versa, depending on the presenter. This reminds me of a story of the man who went to church for the first time and when asked about it by his family, the man said the Preacher talked a lot about sin and the conclusion was the Preacher was basically against it. Sin and Evil might be a 'no brainer' and easy win for vote |
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Carol
United States |
18/08/2008 |
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Thank you for your thoughtful and balanced article. I found that forum strange and unsettling, especially since there is supposed to be a separation of church and state in the US. And how true it is when you point out how clearly the candidates could see "evil" in others, but are blind to American "evil". |
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Chris
United States |
18/08/2008 |
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Give us moderates a chance. The last 8 years, we have started down the road of Christian Fundamentalism blended with plutocracy. I do not know how this happened but I think for the next 8 years the pendulum will swing back towards the political center. In only a few months, we will have a president we are not ashamed of, whether it be Obama or McCain. We are tired of having our intelligence insulted by those in power politically and in the media and we want change. |
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Ayub
Afghanistan |
18/08/2008 |
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Bravo to Mr.marwan for this observation and the article.The US govt has long been involved in carrying out evil acts around the world.Starting with their own civil war,where they killed murdered thousands of their own.The christian groups in the US are as evil as they come.When Pat Robertson speaks of annihilating the Muslims and speaks of assasinating leaders like Hugo Chavez,this should be a grave concern to the leaders of the so called free thinking society.Armageddon does come to mind here. |
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TK
United States |
18/08/2008 |
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"For the Republican contender evil is embodied in communism, Islamic fundamentalism ..."
With all due respect, this is a very narrow observation. The embodiement of evil may be observed in the violent actions of those mentioned, but it is also embodied in the violence, poverty and corruption that is found around the world including Washingto DC.
The question asked was not a veiled threat against Islam as you imply.
It's a deeper question that trancends politics, culture and time. Peace-TK |
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Shafiq
Bangladesh |
18/08/2008 |
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These evangelical christian fundamentalists are the true epitomy of evil in the world. They preach hatred of Islam and are the ones behind the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are the supporters of this so called 'war on terror' which muslims know is a war on Islam. What is needed is a 'war on the war on terror.' |
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Lucas
United States |
18/08/2008 |
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It's disappointing, so many in the U.S. are brainwashed by religious orgs. into believing that evil exist only elsewhere, planning our destruction. They want to fight evil without asking, who the evil ones are or supposing if *WE* are the evil ones? |
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Ahmed Asgher
Bahrain |
18/08/2008 |
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US policy and fighting evil! |
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Evil exists because humans have created evil. God's infinite love has no place for evil, thus if anyone wishes to eradicate evil, they must apply unconditional love in all walks of their life.
Otherwise, the more we talk about evil and base our actions on politics of fear, evil, confrontation, then that is exactly what we get.
Never blame that on God. It is your creation, allbeit allowed by God through freedom of choice.
Choose love not fear/evil. |
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H. Berka
Malaysia |
19/08/2008 |
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the imperialistic politic of US and also EU are producing the evils (terrorists) more and more. It's now very late to discuss with these evil-but possible and a need. Also nobody talk and inform us about the reason to get a terrorist. It's easier to say terrorists and not freedomfighter as the terrorists they have no rights. Once again US and EU should ask the evil why they are evil. Whith todays politic we create more and more of this evil.
And evil are disturbing imperialistic actions. |
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Stuart Tootell
Thailand |
20/08/2008 |
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Perhaps the religious freaks running America should look in the mirror at themselves.
A country that tramples on other countries on capricious whims,demands the extradition of a British national for exposing the weakness in the American defence
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America is both a morally and economically bankrupt state and is now relying on the dirty money bankroll from the Mafia,the drug cartels and organised crime in general.
We don't need any more religious zealots thankyou. |
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Maria Costa
Brazil |
20/08/2008 |
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Evil is NOT a relativistic concept, as many would have us believe. Evil has many faces which remain constant across cultures and centuries. Among these are universally recognised: Genocide, Enslavement, Stealing, Murder, Bullying, Lying, etc. If there is one country in all the world most guilty of ALL of these offences, and many more, surely it can only be the USA, the MOST EVIL of any empire ever. |
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Barry Watts
United States |
20/08/2008 |
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There can be no democracy without complete separation of church and state. We have never had that in America, but there was a time when religious leaders knew their place. Christian fundamentalism is out of control here. They've even stolen the networks from the Jews! At least the Jews told us the truth about everything but Palestine. |
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21/08/2008 |
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Both US presidential candidates demonstrated their contempt for the idea of separating matters of faith from matters of state by agreeing to meet in a politicized megachurch and allowing a powerful theocrat to publicly grill them on matters of personal and public faith.
If this isn't disturbing enough, both candidates recently donned Yarmulkes and publicly wailed at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem.
Those "Islamic extremists" who view America and Israel as "Zionist Crusaders" are correct. |
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Rex Crouch
United States |
22/08/2008 |
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Whether you believe in religion or not, evil is a cleric who would convince a poor uneducated man or woman that martyrdom is the greatest achievement and path to heaven.
QUESTION - If the religious ideals that drive terrorists state that martyrdom is the greatest achievement then why don’t the terrorists’ leaders martyr themselves?
QUESTION – Why do terrorists leaders hide in holes in the rocks while claiming victory and taking versus from the Koran out of context to spread hate? |
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David
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22/08/2008 |
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It is with great dismay that we are seeing such a spectacle in our presidential election. This betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of 'evil'. Some of the most evil acts in history were committed in the name of purifying the human race. The sources of evil in the world are greed, hatred, ego-centeredness, and arrogance - last time I looked Osama Bin Laden or Bush weren't the only ones to have these traits. Maybe we need to all search our own hearts with truth and humility.
Peace! |
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Darrell Burgan
United States |
22/08/2008 |
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I agree deeply with the article that discussing abstract notions of 'evil' as if it were a tangible thing is a very dangerous precedent. However, I'd like to note that the USA is hardly the only country that likes to boil all issues down to simplistic "good guys" v. "bad guys". As an American, I am routinely labeled "infidel" or "evil" simply because of my citizenship. ALL of us need to realize that oversimplifying the issues we face simply makes them worse. Let's work together for a change. |
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Mary
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22/08/2008 |
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In this forum, they had some interesting questions, but that they were not so much religious. I think that there was only one question. I'm afraid gone are the days when presidents knew the bible so well that they could almost give sermons. |
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HML
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22/08/2008 |
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The US & other western democracies are hypocritical in their promotion of secular politics globally obviously they themselves can't keep 'church' & state separate. Politics & faith (theocracies) have historically gone hand in hand (kings David & Solomon) it's what kept heads of state in check (England). Secularism can't define 'evil' but religion does. Are Warren Saddleback & Pat Robertson the 'religious advisors' in American politics? What is their agenda? |
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whit
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22/08/2008 |
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Once again McCain demonstrates his total incompetence for the commander in chief role, not to mention a total misunderstanding of the principles of the Christian religion as well as life in general. If evil is ever defeated, it would only be by God. Any individual claiming to defeat evil is a blasphemous fool. And why is evil defined as opposition to the United States. I think McCain would be even more of a disaster than Bush in creating self-righteous, feel good wars. |
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Anna
United States |
22/08/2008 |
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Rick Warren and the other evangelical folks are trying to publicize themselves and exert some control over the pending US presidential election.
What folks here seem to forget is the US is a SECULAR nation, where one is free to worship or not worship as we choose.
For Rick Warren to be asking for definitions of evil is ludicrous. The fact that McCain and Obama felt they needed to participate in this sham is exemplary of the sad state of US national and international affairs. |
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scott
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22/08/2008 |
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Maybe the word evil is divisive. Do intellectuals consider the word "evil" archaic? When using the word evil, I don't necessarily conjer up deep religious feelings. I also believe if people talked about the evils the United States perpetrated maybe the word would be readily accepted. So I believe the argument is not over the word but, over the United States' moral ignorance. |
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United States |
23/08/2008 |
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It is my understanding that the American public is voting in November for the office of Chief Executive, not the office of Chief Evangelical. |
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23/08/2008 |
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Christan Fundamentilism has made all religions evil except their own. We are fighting the crusades all over again |
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Marian
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24/08/2008 |
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The US must learn to SHARE with the world! Then, the biggest evil - consumerism - would begin to dissapate. Anything beyond the needs of food, shelter, education and the neans to provide them is unnecessary consumerism. |
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hamza muhumed
Somalia |
24/08/2008 |
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You are all lost guys. Evil is an existing body and it is our greatest enemy and threat that is taking us to the hell. if you want to defeat him, you have to obey your creator, then you defeated him. there is no doubt about that |
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Jim
United States |
24/08/2008 |
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This is just another symptom of a failing empire. Our people are being "dumbed down" by the constant barrage of garbage on TV and in the corporate owned media.
I am so ashamed of what the US has become. I am also ashamed of what we have been doing to foreign people over the last half century. |
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Afghanistan |
24/08/2008 |
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It is an historical fact that evil persists because people don't control the amount of power their leadership hold because mankind has consistently shown they are easily corrupted when given power.
The problems in the world today are because evil people, the rich corporate bosses are determined to create a "New World Order" which they will control and puppets like Bush, Blair have been bought and paid for to help create this cesspit of evil and the EU is number one in the end of democracy. |
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AB
South Africa |
24/08/2008 |
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Evil in the US elections |
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If Republican's concept of evil is including anything to do with Islam,and if John McCain wins,then the word "peace" must be wiped out of our dictionaries. The world and the people USA are safe with Obama. |
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Robert Menard
United States |
24/08/2008 |
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candidate interviews are meaningless |
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The bigger problem here is paying any attention whatsoever to what a candidate says on any given day in response to the incredibly ludicrous questions asked at these "debates" and "interviews". These people are who they are. They do not change each day depending on what questions are asked. Each voter needs to do some real research on their past actions and their present published policy statements. Turn off your TVs, folks. The Media is part of the problem. |
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Michael Steadman
United States |
24/08/2008 |
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Evil in the US election |
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The need for intellectul people to get out and be crusaders has reached the pinacle. When the political system in this country shows itself as prejudiced and misguided, as it has done in the recent interview by the special interest church leader, it is time for counter balance.
The unintelligent people of the United States, are influenced by the evangelical society. These people speak in unintelligable language to their gun toting Jesus, and recieve miraculous solutions to their problems. |
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Selvin
United States |
24/08/2008 |
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Americas Crusader Mentality |
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As an American I'm embarrassed by this pathetic representation of religion in America. Rick Warren exposed the truth about religous fanatics in the U.S., it's the equivalent mindset of the crusades in the year 1184. That' s why I would gladly move to the Middle East, the mindset is more realistic and less hipocritical. Although pathetic, this is the same mentality that drives G.W. Bush and friends to committ unspeakable crimes against the world in the name of Demacracy and Freedom. |
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Mark
United States |
24/08/2008 |
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Our christian faith makes the people of the United States so giving . Yes, the person who sits in the oval office needs to share the veiws of the American people and their values. We are not perfect, but I don't no any country that gives so much to the world in aid to compare us with and thank God for giving us the ability. |
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Frankie
United States |
24/08/2008 |
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Secular government? Nothing like that will exist in the United States religion is too closely tied in with our politics. Take the fight over legalizing homosexuality, for example.
I don't believe they should have termed the question with the word "evil". Evil is such an ambiguous word. On the other hand, I think the question was valid. It puts the candidates' characters more into light. |
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Chuck the Duck
Afghanistan |
24/08/2008 |
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do i really want to speak my mind here |
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lets see the jews control america so what diference does it make who my father or mother vote for. It is all shit to me. That is why I dont vote for presidents. All arabs should die as well. |
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Christian Andersson
Sweden |
24/08/2008 |
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good vs evil |
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Well, I guess Obama had to respond since it's a fact that US has a lot of people that are deeply religious. To me "evil" contains the word egoism, for example in the way the american government invades other countries for oil. That is why the US government (not the american people!) are feared hated and considered evil in most countries in the world. There was a poll in Swedish media about who is the biggest criminal in the world. George Bush was voted first (well before bin Ladin).
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David Greer
Great Britain (UK) |
03/09/2008 |
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Good/Evil |
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Poor Barak Obama, having to endure that fatuous nonsense. It's such a shame that the American people are suffering from mushroom syndrome - kept in the dark and fed BS. The founding Fathers ensured that the wording of the constitution was strictly agnostic but here we see the insideous nature so-called Christian extremism. Forget God, there isn't one, just your own sense of right and wrong. Evil is religeous terminology and should definately not be a topic for political debate. |
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