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Hijab ignites Ireland rights debate

Shekinah, top centre, says she feels 'prouder than ever' to wear the headscarf

An Irish family at the centre of a nationwide dispute over the wearing of the Islamic headscarf in schools has accused Ireland's government of repressing minority rights while "flaunting itself as the bastion of democracy".

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Liam Egan, whose daughter's desire to wear the headscarf to school last year sparked the debate, said: "It is time the world witnessed the true face of Ireland.

"The issue of the hijab [Islamic headscarf] is a reflection of how Ireland treats its minorities.

"It has silently repressed Muslim rights while flaunting itself as the bastion of democracy for far too long."

Egan and his wife Beverley, asked that their 14-year-old daughter, Shekinah Egan, be allowed to wear the hijab to Gorey Community School in Wexford, near Dublin, in September last year.

'Catholic ethos'

Most secondary schools in Ireland have allowed it to be worn to date, provided the colour is consistent with the school uniform. 

Shekinah's school board of management granted permission for her to wear the clothing, but the principal referred the question to the department of education, requesting an official policy for all schools in Ireland.

The department did not provide any further guidance, saying existing guidelines, which leave the wearing of the hijab to the discretion of individual boards of management, still stands and Shekinah was allowed to continue wearing it.

The issue became widely publicised in the national media and Egan claims that, as a result, several schools have moved towards banning the hijab, with one school in Dublin stating it violates the country's "Catholic ethos".

A spokeswoman for the ministry of integration said it had consulted schools and interest groups over the summer at the request of the minister for education.

"They have come to a consensus on the matter and the report is at official level. A statement will be issued shortly," she said. 

In the Irish capital on Wednesday, the ministry will also host a national debate on the integration of immigrants.

'Not an immigrant issue'

The issue follows similar controversies on the wearing of the hijab across Europe, most recently in France, Britain and the Netherlands.

While most of the people in Muslim communities affected by the issue in other parts of Europe have been immigrants or the children of immigrants, the Egans are a native Irish family who have converted to Islam.  

Just under one third of all Muslims in Ireland are native Irish, according to the National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism (NCCRI) in Dublin. 

"This is not an immigrant issue," says Egan, who converted to Islam at the age of 28.

"It's about freedom to practice religious beliefs. People say we should assimilate, but I was born in Wexford - I am Irish and Muslim. We should not follow the lead of France, where there is no tolerance.

Critics of the hijab says its wearing in schools violates 'Catholic ethos'

"It shows double dealings to a certain degree. For the school in Dublin to now use the Catholic ethos is a pretext – Catholic women used to wear a headscarf whenever they entered a church up until 20 years ago. So it's not a new thing here in Ireland."

Beverley McKenzie, Egan's British-born wife, says the government now treats the family as if they are foreigners.

"It's like asking Irish people to develop some sort of mandate which tells them how to integrate into their own society when they already know how to," she said.

The couple have helped set up the Irish Hijab Campaign group to lobby for the right of female Muslim students to wear the hijab.

The group says it wants Ireland "to allow, protect, and normalise the hijab, so it becomes part of the uniform, in consultation with other parents".

National debate

The issue has sparked fierce debate across the country, through extensive media coverage and statements released from the two main opposition parties.

Ruairi Quinn, a spokesman for the Irish Labour party, told the Irish Independent newspaper that immigrants who come to Ireland "need to conform".

"If people want to come into a Western society that is Christian and secular, they need to conform to the rules and regulations of that country," he said.

Quinn believes children in public school should not wear the headscarf

"Irish girls don't wear headscarves. A manifestation of religious beliefs in such a way is unacceptable and draws attention to those involved. I believe in a public school situation they should not wear a headscarf," Quinn said.

His position was backed by Brian Hayes, from the opposition Fine Gael party, who said it makes "absolute sense" that there is one uniform for everyone.

Hayes, Fine Gael's education spokesman, said the wearing of the hijab was not a fundamental requirement to be a Muslim, but more an example of modesty and cultural mores.

Meanwhile, in a column headlined 'Shape up or ship out should be our multicultural message', Kevin Myers, a columnist for the Independent newspaper, supported the opposition's position, saying Quinn had "got it spot on" with his stance.

"The problem lies in how extremists often set themselves up as the sole voice of their 'community'," he said, adding that the British government had learned this best.

"Indeed, the quickest way to get an invitation to 10 Downing Street is to call oneself the leader of the Muslim community of Loamshire; and in between praising 'martyrdom operations', you'd soon collect a knighthood or even a peerage," Myers wrote in June.

However, public criticism has failed to discourage Shekinah from wearing the hijab.

"I feel prouder than ever ... it's brought me more courage and knowledge as to why I wear it," she says.

"This year I've made more friends than I did last year. I think it's because I've showed people who I am. I'm quite happy with that."

 Source: Al Jazeera
Feedback Number of comments : 50
 
Michael
Ireland
10/09/2008
Hijab ignites Ireland rights debate
If they want to wear the hijab before or after school, so be it. It is not part of the school uniform so it should not be worn in school. If my daughter went to a Muslim country which required her to wear a hijab, do you think my daughter would be allowed to go to school without one? As the old saying goes "When in Rome, do as the Romans". In other words abide by the guidelines set down by the school or the laws of the country you reside in. The country is good enough to let you live there

hugh
Ireland
10/09/2008
This was a non issue until being blown up by the media & will probably be used as a rallying call by extremists on both sides... enter Kevin Myers a Right wing soap box bully & self publicist who for years has stuck the boot in to the weak in Irish society & abroad for that matter. On the other side at least this is being debated and that shows democracy in action after all this is not Sudan and no one in question has named a teddy Mohammed.

Matthias
Ireland
10/09/2008
michael
I guess michael is saying that Ireland is no better than a Muslim country when it comes to rights. You lead by example not by force, or zero tolerances.

juan
United States
10/09/2008
Hijab ignites Ireland rights debate
if they want to wear the hijab they should wear in the muslim countries.if you come to a western country you should assimilate if not they have to leave .we westerners dont go to the middle east countries and start demanding rights .they want all these rights when they come to western societies but how bout the demands of the miniroties in their native countries .they sure dont stand up for them or care cause they are infidels to them

William
Ireland
10/09/2008
Hijab ignites Ireland rights debate
Firstly a response to Michael from Ireland-read the article! they are not immigrants(not that it should matter, but unfortunately it does to some!)they are native Irish so your comment about 'the country is good enough to let you live there' is a pretty good example of how some Irish people consider,and treat, those of different i.e. non Catholic, faith as un-Irish and thus outsiders! Secondly as long as national identity and religion are considered synonymous then tolerant pluralism is doomed.

Ahmed
Egypt
10/09/2008
Relegious freedom or just pure respect...
No one living in the civilized world should be persicuted for their relegious beliefs, nor related habits, so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others. I have lived for many years and visited numerous western countries. The majority of people there are respectful and are willing to understand our beliefs. And in turn I am respectful of their wishes and beliefs. Anyone who doesn't believe in mutual respect must be a strong believer of intolerence and persicution.

Dan Nazerali
United States
11/09/2008
Hamza Muhumed
I strongly disagree with Hamza, Head Scarf is cultural and not Islamic, what is cultural is not always Islamic.

Mujaahid
Ireland
11/09/2008
Hijab in Ireland
Debate about issues regarding Muslims usually regurgitate stale arguments that begin, 'but in Muslim countries......’ Typically such comments are exaggerations, mostly vicious misinformation – but what does or does not happen in Muslim lands SHOULD NOT be used as a rod to beat the back of western Muslims and SHOULD NOT be used to excuse western injustice and inequality toward its Muslim minorities. Shame on those who would stop to such levels.

Robert
United Kingdom
11/09/2008
Democracy at stake..
the double standards by European countries in this age is appaling. If a country opposes Democrary we go over and 'conolize' but we do not follow the rules we preach in our own countries. Freedom of belief is essential in a democratic country and the hijab is a must for all devout female muslims. But many people mistake devoutness for extremism in it's modern-day meaning, that's the real reason for the debate in the first place.

Ruzny
United States
11/09/2008
Hijab is a matter of religion
As per the religion of islam it is more emphasized the modesty of women by covering the body as prescribed and whoever folows the religion they should abide by religion. So please do not compare the human made rules or any human behaviour compare to religions.

Susan
Bangladesh
11/09/2008
Rights of minorities
The purpose of uniform in school is to make every student feel that they are equals and wont be discriminated on the basis of color, caste, and creed. But can we really conceal our color, it will always get exposed by our complexion. And can we actually hide our caste. Our surname will always tell our story. So what's wrong in allowing minorities their religious compulsories if we cannot eradicate differences any way.

Yusuf
South Africa
11/09/2008
The Hijab is compulsory on all Muslim women to wear. In any event why should this be an issue in any part of the world. This is the kind of mentality in Ireland that has led to years of fighting between Catholics and Protestants. Be more tolerant. 10 Downing Str is not everyones idea of a perfect audience because politicians are all self serving bigots anyway. A true muslim is more aware of his audience with the almighty.

Antoine OhIcidhe
Australia
13/09/2008
Saoirse!!!
As a decendent of Brian Boru I am offended by the attitudes of Egan and others. The last Ard ri embraced immigration and multi culturalism as being a good thing for his country. The Vikings brought new skills to Ireland (Read gaelic history). Shame hEireann shame!!! You are a disgrace to the memory Brian Boru, Wolf Tone, Robert Emmett, James Connolly, Michael Collins , Bobby Sands and others who have fought (and many died) for the true of cause "na gael saoirse"

hamza muhumed
Somalia
10/09/2008
the girl in ireland
Hey western people, please welcome the guests. Wearing a headscard is not a culture, it is compulsory in islam, and those who dont take it, they know they are sinned. Dont tell me, those who follow your way and say we are moderate. Rules of islam are clear as the day, so dont punish the good people for meeting islamic standards.

george farah
Australia
10/09/2008
acceptance
Its unfortunate that the government infringes apon this womans religous rights. But you will find the same repressive treatment toward christians in a muslim democratic country i.e Egypt there is injustice all over the world. simply we should respect, accept each other and not treat minorities of any faith with sadism.

crescentgirl
United States
10/09/2008
Hijab controversy
I think that it is sad that this xenophobic attitude toward Islam that some people have in western (supposedly democratic) countries is resulting in the infringement of civil rights for minority groups. For those of you that think Islam is some kind of foreign religion, please look again -many native peoples of western nations are now looking to this religion for solace. Please open your minds, and educate yourself about the faith before you spew hatred about something you do not understand.

Jacob
United States
10/09/2008
hijab
i have one question for the ignorant westerners. if this honorable muslim women was to walk around in public with the skimpiest mini-skirt and shortest top allowable distracting the masses then everything would be just great. How is it a women is critized for wearing to much clothes? shame on those who have no sense!

Lugh
United States
10/09/2008
Why Not Be Fair
I would care less about someone wearing a scarf to school, but I find it interesting that Al Jazeera would feel the need to print this story while ignoring the vast human rights issues in Muslim countries. Then again if it isn't part of the school uniform then I think there is a certain right of the school to decide what their students wear. Just another example of someone rubbing their religion in peoples faces.

Dr Mohamed
United Kingdom
10/09/2008
Hijab in Irish School
I feel that the Irish are the most friendly people in Europe. Decent Irish address real issues. They have no time for fighting women's head covers. For those who have nothing else but fight women's head covers: Leave women alone. Crime is everywhere. Direct your efforts to fighting crime, drugs and drinking and to helping the poor and the needy. Help your relatives and your neighbours.

k.
Afghanistan
10/09/2008
A country which fears hijab fears freedom and diversity.

melody lane
United States
10/09/2008
hijab ban
Where were all these righteous people when Jews were and are discriminated against for wearing there distinctive dress. In Paris, they are often beaten.

Tarik
United Kingdom
10/09/2008
Let the woman decide what she wants. Freedom? I think freedom is also in recession just like the western economy.

elang
Indonesia
10/09/2008
to michael from Ireland
Michael, I live in a country where 80% of its population is muslim. And I was born and grew up in Aceh province, where 100% of its population is muslim as well. Yet we never forced other religions to follow muslim rules. We even allow christians, budhist, which are tiny tiny minorities and non Acehnese, to build big churces and temples and let them practice their own religious beliefs. Muslims treat their non muslims brothers and sisters respectfully, yet this never happens on the contrary.

nella
United Kingdom
11/09/2008
girl in ireland
is wearing a headscarf compulsory? if so has it been throughout islamic history, or is this a recent development? why does not wearing one show that a woman has sinned? Why don't men wear a headscarf?

Simon
Morocco
11/09/2008
The Egans Are Irish, not Immigrant, Muslims
A handful, if not a myriad, of Irishmen allege to be no strangers to Islam. Brian Hayes’ claim that Hijab is not “a fundamental requirement to be a Muslim, but more an example of modesty and cultural mores” is attendant on his simplistic acquaintance with the Islamic Shariah. Hijab is obligatory in Islam. Such outlook manifests the West knows little (not to say null) on Islam. Read and stop making sweeping misconstructions and misrepresentations of Islam out of your nodding familiarity. Shame!

RM
United States
11/09/2008
Hijab in Ireland. OK. Will this muslim Irish family support establishment of church and wearing of skirts by women in Saudi Arabia ?

Noor
South Africa
11/09/2008
DISCRIMINATION
That is DISCRIMINATION AND OPPRESSION! The westerners have abnormal behaviours. They should study Quran first before attacking the muslims. Wearing headscarf is a compulsory in Islam. We need to respect Islam and the command of God. Nobody is complaining why the nuns are wearing scarves. Nobody is complaining why the Jews have long beards. Westerners, stop discriminating the Muslims for NO REASON!

Dave
United Arab Emirates
11/09/2008
Hijab
My kids goto school in a Muslim country, and guess what... they don't need to wear headscarf! Some girls do and others don't and it does not make one bit of a difference except in the minds of biggots. So to all you biggoted religion haters, who don't you practice Catholisim any more why not let others practise their religion - live and let live! p.s. The people in the story are IRISH not foreigners, so learn to read before speaking

Mohamud Mohamed Mohamud
Kenya
11/09/2008
The true muslim girls
Its unimaginable that man oriented rules and regulations are given the first priority let alone the fundamentals are left hanging.For these westerners that argue hijab is all about culture,let them go for further findings.In other words,Ireland should go for the government of the people and for the people on what the girls deserve(Democracy).

Zaheera Seedat
South Africa
11/09/2008
how disgusting!
how disgusting that the Irish government talks about democracy. Surely if they were taken to the constitutional court, based on freedom of religion, the right to an education and basic fundamentals of democracy, the officials would be put on the their place. Keep your lack of knowledge. hijaab is central to all sisters in islam. to the school girl - as a mother, i am proud of you. my prayers are with you. don't ever let anyone rape you of your identity. May God guide u to great spiritual heights

Fiha
Singapore
11/09/2008
Hizab
Hizab is essential part of islamic practice, we need to know before commenting on it. Christianity in Europe has transformed and disguised as secularism and hence the catholic girls are no more wearing the headscarf except nuns. In the name of western value/secualrism the western societies are imposing the transformed christian norms and practices to the immigrants. Muslim immigrants particularly facing the problem as only they have the written unchanged code of conducts to follow as a muslim.

Sam
Canada
11/09/2008
Sad to hear of open ignorance
I would easily mistake her for being Canadian. It seems silly that the 'Community school' would do such a thing. The community is far better of by learning and embracing other religions. We have so much to learn by opening our eyes and ears to the international world around us. We are no longer an island. (this is why i started watching/reading Aljazeera, to be more aware and informed) Thank you for posting the article. Best of luck for success.

kasujja muhamed
Uganda
11/09/2008
let females have freedom having hijabs
what is problem of female having Hijab.Why do you people forget your work.Do u really know Islam, ok the univeral declaration of human rights setup by people of the same basket like u. Give Islam freedom,let us enjoy our rights,we are hurting body but adding on our beauty.Why do u make us problem everytime.Let us enjoy our life pliz there is alot to do than following hijab.Its not work find the really work.

Yasmin Amer Al Kathiri
Saudi Arabia
11/09/2008
Hijab is not cultural, it is islamic
to comment for the first feedback from Michael, when your daughter goes to Muslim school, she would be allowed to not wear headscarf, as of your believe. this is a freedom, of wearing this or not. why do people so much matter. If I ask all the Catholics, Did The Virgin Maria (the mother of Isa/Jesus) wear a headscarf? The answer would be yes..

Jane
United Kingdom
13/09/2008
hijab
This is disgusting and undemocratic to interfere in the woman's right to wear hijab. She can be Irish and Muslim. She can be Irish and Catholic. She can be Irish and Protestant.

Mageed
Australia
15/09/2008
wearing head covering
I wonder why catholic nuns covered their head, and were allowed to teach in schools

Issack
United Arab Emirates
15/09/2008
Western World.......this is a wake up call
the issue of Hijab has been in the western media for quite sometime and it seems to be moving from one country to another. I beleive the main issue is not about hijab but rather an attack on islamic tradition and culture. How comes in the Muslim world we give freedom to non-muslims to practice their religion and belief in peace and we respect it. Why is there double standard on western states with regards to muslim rights?

Arshad al-Aryaan Bin Sultaan
United Arab Emirates
15/09/2008
Democracy??
Not only Ireland,but the whole of western countries are waging a "war" on Islam.They called themselves "Christians",but even Mary,mother of Jesus,and other females during her time always covered up like decent people!What is "Christianity" anyway?Western countries are ruled under secularism where even soon,"Christians" will be powerless..

Esmeralda Garcia
United States
16/09/2008
HIJAB IGNITES IRELAND RIGHTS DEBATE
This is for juan from USA, You forget to mention that you crossed the boarder here to US illegally, Ireland you have shown your true colors, how about all those irish ghettos who live here in boston, USA who are also here illlegally and crowding boston jails? Wearing a Hijab is NOT a CRIME..

Maija
Finland
16/09/2008
Ban it all!
Yes, go ahead, ban wearing a headscarf. But the ban wearing a CROSS, a star of David, and any other sign of affiliation with a religion. Then it would be equal. Are we back to the middle ages? This seems like a witch hunt to me! BAN IT ALL. Or ban nothing, and allow people the freedom of the religion.

Andrew
Ireland
17/09/2008
It is safer for the government to stay neutral in this debate, but at the root of all this, it's the right of the person to choose according to their conscience. If she chooses to wear a headscarf or the shortest mini-skirt imaginable, the proverbial 'We' of society should respect her choice. I will say that the Robert Egan should stop grandstanding with respect to Muslim Oppression. The current government makes little stand with social issues, of any kind, whatsoever. It's not personal

martina
United States
13/09/2008
"The Islamic veil, worn with dignity and without ostentation is an innocuous symbol of a cultural and religious identity which deserves all our respect" -Giuseppe Pisanu, Italian Interior Minister like the interior minsiter stated back in 2004 we should be respectful to our neighbours no matter how different they are because in the end we are all human being.

omar
United Kingdom
13/09/2008
Hijab ignites Ireland rights debate
i think people forget that Christian nuns wear headscarves so why are they is there always a big debate about it ? Maybe Ireland should ban nuns from covering and then see the public uproar.

Barry Watts
United States
13/09/2008
Hijab controversy is a tough one
On one hand it makes no sense to ban the headscarf in a democratic society, but separation of church and state is an issue here. If you give them the hijab, will they want to pray in school next? Public schools are paid for by tax payers, so the general public should have a say in what is and what is not allowed, including school prayer, the teaching of creationism, and yes, the wearing of religious clothing or symbols. Are there not Muslim schools in Ireland this man's daughter could attend?

Amal
Sudan
15/09/2008
Treat others as you expect to be treated yourself
To Hugh from Ireland who cites Sudan as an example of extremism: for your information, schools in Sudan allow modifications to standard uniforms to accomodate individual students' religious beliefs. As for the teddy that was named Mohammed (the name of the prophet of Islam) by a British expat teacher in Khartoum, causing a major row: would you have found it acceptable if she had named that teddy Jesus, or Virgin Mary? If your religion and culture deserves respect, so does ours!

Augustine Basnayake
Afghanistan
15/09/2008
Hijab ignites Ireland rights debate
The slew of comments and brickbats should be treated as normal in today's world. So, may I suggest that the government sit down and talk to the muslim community and decide what can and cannot be allowed now and in the future so that the story of the "Camel and the Tent" is not repeated! Good Luck Ireland!

anne
Ireland
16/09/2008
hijab in school
the wearing of the hijab should not be allowed in irish schools.I find it very sad to see young children dressed this way children should be allowed to be children. the hijab is worn to hide the female body and it teaches young muslim girls that their body is somehow shameful

hisham
Singapore
19/09/2008
Its amazing how a girl putting on the hijab in a school can cause such an outburst of hatred and ridicule in western democratic countries...it is as if white women there don't wear 'hijab'..have they forgotten the nuns ? or women from the orthodox and catholic churches

Nasirah
United States
05/10/2008
Research Before You Speak
In no way is the hijab "cultural" it is a requirement of Islam... Fact 1 Religion and Race are two completely different things. Religion is a belief - Fact 2 Just as the lady says here she was born an Irish but believes in Islam so the comment about "Irish girls don't wear headscarves" is false who are you two categorize Irish girls? People are individuals with individual ideas and cannot be so simply categorized Fact 3 As intelligent and sophisticate people how can you argue with facts?

Angie
Australia
11/12/2008
Nuns wear it too
Ironic that the concept of Hijaab (veiled headress) stems in accordance with the tradition of the noble Virgin Mary and the many notably revered women of the monotheistic faiths. Yet two millenia later, Muslim faithful who choose to keep to such antiquated tradition are now demurred by some of their Abrahamic-cousins. The hijaab is a religious, spiritual and historical tradition. It does not implicate gender suppression or aversion to democracy or western tradition.

 
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