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Interview: Hanan Ashrawi

Ashrawi says Obama's policies indicate he wants
to engage the Palestinians
Hanan Ashrawi, the prominent Palestinian politician, is cautiously optimistic about the impact Barack Obama, the US president-elect, and his administration will have on the Palestinian-Israeli peace process.

Al Jazeera attended a breakfast round-table with Ashrawi while she was visiting Doha, the capital of Qatar.

Below are her responses to the questions that were put to her.

With the new US administration coming in and Hillary Clinton being appointed as US secretary of state, in your view are we likely to see a similar stance from her towards the Middle East peace process as there was under Bill Clinton's administration?

Ashrawi: First of all, we must not personalise issues. I don't think it is a matter of individuals. It's a matter,  first of all, of the team as a whole and their policies. Obama's policies certainly indicate that he wants to engage. He doesn't want to postpone things until the end as [Bill] Clinton and Bush did. And secondly, he's marking a departure from the Bush administration, which was disastrous for everybody.

Now having said that, I must caution against any type of unrealistic optimism. There are constants in American policy - such as the strategic alliance between the US and Israel - that are not going to be changed by individuals.

Individuals change their own positions and their own policies to serve their own interests and their own careers. Hillary Clinton was outspoken about Palestinian rights when she was First Lady, but when she ran for office in the Senate for New York she did a 180 degree turn and became not just totally supportive of Israel, but of the extreme right in Israel and hostile to Palestinians.

Later on, as she ran for the Democratic party's nomination, she gave a speech to Aipac [the Israeli lobby in the US] that could have been written by [Benjamin] Netanyahu [leader of the conservative Likud party]. Then afterwards she said that she's committed to peace and a two state solution.

The question is how is the whole team going to shape American foreign policy - what are the constants and what are their values? How do they define what is in Israeli interests?

This is a team that included Jim Jones [Barack Obama's nominee for national security adviser] who knows the realities on the ground; and Hillary Clinton who also is aware of what's happening; and Barack Obama who doesn't need to be educated and who expressed a willingness to engage. What type of engagement, we shall see.

We have to engage also - as Palestinians and Arabs - the new administration in a serious dialogue; a serious discourse about the mistakes of the past; about what is required and about the sense of urgency now that has to dominate.

You cannot put the Palestinian question on the back burner. You cannot leave a political vacuum. You have to move rapidly and you have to set limits and constraints on Israeli behaviour.

The Arab peace initiative was re-proposed in 2007, what do you think it will take for that initiative to be successful?

I think it takes a political will on the part of the Arabs who adopted this initiative to translate it into a workable process. If it remains just verbal and an initiative that moves from one document to the other and does not see concrete steps on the ground, then it's not going to be anything except one more initiative and one more document.

It should  be seen for what it is - a unique historical opportunity for a solution. If they don't see it as such - if they waste it - then everybody is going to pay the price. The Palestinians foremost. So, the Arab initiative needs to be the blueprint. It's a simple one and sometimes there is virtue in simplicity.

What will the Israeli elections in February mean for the peace process?

It's the right-wing that's on the ascendence. It's the more hardline policies that are emerging now. Very clearly Tzipi Livni [the leader of the Kadima party] is tempering her own previous public declarations about peace. Creating new red lines. The refugees - of course she's always been dead set against the right of return. Talking about peace "in the future", talking about Jerusalem in more hardline terms. She is competing on a hardline basis.

And she is criticising Ehud Olmert [the Israeli prime minister, who stepped down as Kadima leader] for making conciliatory statements. As he is in a lame-duck situation, and as he is leaving, he's trying to break a few taboos and talk about sharing Jerusalem and returning the land and saying that 'if he had time' and 'if he had stayed' then he would have done all these things.

But right now the Israeli public is moving to the right.

There are all sorts of issues - not just the Palestinian issue. The weakness of Kadima, corruption. There are domestic issues, the economy and so on. So they will make another mistake again by electing [Benjamin] Netanyahu, [leader of the Labour party]. Well, of course, you can never be certain about Israeli politics, the only thing that is certain is its unpredictability.

Hamas has said it will not recognise the legitimacy of Mahmoud Abbas as Palestinian president after January 9th. What kind of scenarios do you see unfolding in the new year?

I think there's lots of talk. If they don't recognise the legitimacy of the presidency - the same way they don't recognise the legitimacy of the PLO [Palestine Liberation Organisation] - this will further enhance the division.

I think we should have a more constructive positive attitude. We should work together and go to a serious dialogue, a substantive dialogue, on the causes of this rift with seriousness of intent, goodwill and co-operation to resolve not only as a matter of show but as a matter of undoing a lot of the damage that was done.

So how can that divide between Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank be bridged?

I think there's a problem because there's a power struggle. The sharing of the spoils of power.

We have to repair the Palestinian democracy and we have to create a system where differences can be resolved in a democratic, pluralistic, inclusive system. Not by divisions and not by talking power but by understanding that Palestinian democracy means that we have peaceful means to resolve our differences.

We need to have a critical dialogue. I like the Egyptian initiative [to reconcile Hamas and Fatah], and before it the Yemeni initiative. It's important the Arabs play a constructive role and really embrace the Palestinians and move to help us resolve our differences.

We've always said we need to unite the West Bank and Gaza - not geographically, except through the corridor - but unite them institutionally, unite them administratively, unite them legally and politically through a common political system.

Of course we are one people, but if the division remains we are in danger of having a serious risk that will create two separate systems that in the future will become irreconcilable. Right now they are reconcilable and we must work on that.

Can we count on you running in any upcoming election?

No. I've decided I'm not running. What you can count on me doing is supporting young women, young leaders, the new generation to run for office.

We need the young. People my age should know how to step aside and how to provide a system of support and solidarity for the new leaders. We have a disastrous situation of a leadership that doesn't know the meaning of a graceful exit, but I see lots of hope in the younger generation.

 Source: Al Jazeera
 
Feedback Number of comments : 13
 
Hugo van Randwyck
Afghanistan
03/12/2008
Interview: Hanan Ashrawi
Hanan Ashrawi could engage the Palestinian refugees and diaspora, in supporting their voter registration and voting for their own candidates/representatives, so they can have a referendum on solutions. This will also help Palestinian unity. Having elections on the sama day as the Israelis, could also get more media attention and help voters in other countries relook at their opinions.

Joseph E. Saad (Proud Canadian, Palestinian Refugee)rs
Canada
03/12/2008
Hanan Ashrawi : Interview
As a Palestinian refugee, living in the diaspora, I feel the comments made by Hugo van Randwyck, are correct. We need to take the initiative and instill a sense of urgency in getting Palestinians worldwide involved in a political process. The world, in turn, needs to take as fact the results of any future election results, even if Hamas wins overwhelmingly, which I think they will. Only by engaging the Palestinian mainstream (in the diaspora & at home), can true representation begin. Joseph

j daly
United States
03/12/2008
Hanan Ashrawi should stay
n she is well informed and truthful . She is needed in peace talks

gideon
Israel
04/12/2008
Why is Israel moving to the right?
Madame Ashrawi, in all her wisdom may want to help the Palestinians ask themselves why is israel moving to the right. Hopefully, internally she is not treating Israeli politics like rain. israeli politics are actually very predictable. for the past twenty five years israel as a whole has accepted the need for a palestinian state. this has been clearly shown at the polls. The latest shift to the right is a DIRECT result of what happened in Gaza after Israel ended its occupation.

real vision
United States
04/12/2008
peace a pipedream
As long as there are palestinian factions who violently oppose peace between themselves and Israel, then hopes for peace is a pipedream. As long as the palestinians put their future on rearming instead of education and developing the land they have then nothing will change. What the palestinians have done in gaza for the past 4 years is a lesson for israel. Can Israel trust palestinians when they fire rockets on innocent civilians daily. We are all waiting for a peaceful coexistence miracle

real vision
United States
04/12/2008
the pipedream of peace
As long as there are palestinian factions who violently oppose peace between themselves and Israel, then hopes for peace is a pipedream. As long as the palestinians put their future on rearming instead of education and developing the land they have then nothing will change. What the palestinians have done in gaza for the past 4 years is a lesson for israel. Can Israel trust palestinians when they fire rockets on innocent civilians daily. We are all waiting for a peaceful coexistence miracle

Tanasi Woman
United States
03/12/2008
Hana Ashrawi: interview
Mrs Ashrawi shows the kind of leadership that Palestinians and Israelis both need- level-headed, realistic, and willing to treat both sides with respect. She thoroughly researches the issues and listens to what is being said. She is also widely respected and her counsel has proven to be sound over the years. Everyone I know of wants to see Israel and Palestine at peace with themselves and each other, and both prospering. I hope it happens in my lifetime, God willing.

Barry Watts
United States
04/12/2008
Palestines ambassador to the world
Hanan Ashrawi has been around for as long as I can remember as a spokesperson for the Palestinian cause. She was often on the evening news in the days before satellite TV and cable news networks. She came over as being very intelligent, fair-minded, and extremely likable at a time when it was thought by most Americans that all Palestinians had horns. I think she has done more to generate international goodwill toward Palestine than anyone. She would make a great ambassador to the US or the UN.

Duane A. Savoie
Afghanistan
04/12/2008
Ashrawi
Ashrawi is a very intelligent lady...I respect her views. Now we are going to see how the two-faced Hillary can screw things up worse.

Christopher Rushlau
United States
04/12/2008
Tanasi Woman, Israel, and Palestine
I hope she understands that Israel's peace and security will be as an unofficial enclave, a sort of China-town ("Jew-town"?) within a secular Palestinian democracy. She might be grateful, indeed, that it looks like it will be advisable for the welfare of the State that there be a truth and reconciliation process for zionist crimes instead of some sort of "white flight" or whole-sale abandonment by the zionists. We are now in "virtual Zion", as part of a modern Palestine.

vincent di norcia
Canada
07/12/2008
Palestine statehood
What we in the west need to do to bring peace is say: Palestine should be declared a state, and given a UN seat, NOW. Or within 12 months, at most, allowing Israel to withdraw from its settlements on Arab land. I suggest Compensation for those who were evicted from their homes by Israel. And a commitment to peace by all Palestinian parties, in return for statehood. This may be a pipe dream, but continued Israeli expansion is unacceptable. And I think I speak for many, many Canadians. Salaam.

lazaz
United States
06/12/2008
ashraswi
Israel is moving to right because Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. After pulling out of gaza which has no settlements, missiles into israel. I hope Livni wins and would Ashrawi to run and win. She gets it. Vote for the women, they are less ego and practical

Roberto
United States
08/12/2008
What Ashrawi does not say
Goal of Palestinians is to destroy Israel,preferably through violence.She knows the "right of return" for "refugees" is a non starter,maybe Beilin would accept it.Ashrawi should talk about Hamas agenda of creatin an Islamic state,already done in Gaza.What does it mean for women equality and freedom of expression?Just look at other Islamic states.She is a Christian.Any comments about the fastest disappearing community in the Middle East? Two thousand years of histroty vanishing before our eyes.

 
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